HERE IS A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE THAT ADMITS TO "AEROSOL" SPRAYING IN THE ATMOSPHERE TO ACHIEVE WEATHER CONTROL. IT IS NOT A DAMN CONSPIRACY!!
http://www.asp.bnl.gov/
HERE IS A METEOROLOGIST THAT SAYS CHEMTRAILS AFFECT THE WEATHER. KEEP IN MIND, THE WEATHER IS HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE!
http://www.weatherwars.info
Here is Lt. Col. T.E. Bearden's website. He also "claims" chemtrails are for controlling the weather. Colonel Bearden is a nuclear engineer, wargames analyst, and military tactician with over 26 years experience in air defense systems, tactics and operations, technical intelligence, antiradiation missile countermeasures, nuclear weapons employment, computerized wargames and military systems requirements.
He is leading the charge against the government to expose their scalar weather modification weapons. He has patented a few technologies also, and reveals how these scalar weather modification devices work. A good site to view, if you want to learn how all of this works. Ones who do not believe weather modification is possible, do not even enter this site, it is too advanced for you.
http://www.cheniere.org
"Lou & Dr. Bob Wynman" <bobalou@wynman.com> wrote:
Today, Saturday, was day three since I sent you the original report of what was going on in the skies here above the Colorado River. There seems to be far more interest in this subject than I can integrate into my mind jus now & the volume of correspondence is irritating some of our friends (I've been sending it to friends who've given us some reason to believe that they may be potential Libertarians, interested in government intruding into their lives &/or "Natural Hygienists", concerned about health issues).
Our respected, knowledgeable & intelligent friends who know that chemtrails are a myth & are just normal contrails from commercial aircraft seem as convincing as our respected, knowledgeable & intelligent friends who know that chemtrails are a tool of the power elite to control the weather &/or remove 80% of us from the planet thru disease &/or mind control. It's sorta like discussing religion, politics or racism. Interesting.
Today, the sky here on the Arizona border was beautifully clear & blue. Does that mean that our suspected "chemtrails" were really contrails, absent today because there are far fewer commercial flights than on weekdays? This experience is all new to us ('tho we've been reading about it for a few years). We're Tahoe people on our first visit to this area. We don't see stuff in our Tahoe skies anything like what we saw here Thursday & Friday.
--bob
www.wynman.com
This one's from Lou's son, Erik, a long-time pilot & another meticulous researcher on subjects of health and science:
I've been living on a fire bomber base and the logistics of deploying the cross hatch designs that people are calling chemtrails would be staggering. I don't believe those pattern or the pictures on Carnicoms site are of chemtrails, or at least if they are, they resemble common contrails so much that such pictures are not convincing. You wouldn't try to persuade someone of the existence of UFO's by posting pictures that look like garbage can lids or saucers with "Frisbee" clearly marked on the side.
I've only seen two of these phenomenon that looked so unlike contrails that I could clearly say that I had never seen anything like it. Erik
----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Bradley Nelson
To: Bob Wynman
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: My own experience...
Hi Bob-
I have been noticing chemtrail for a while now, and I thought I might share a rather dramatic experience with you that happened November 2003. I walked outside one day and noticed that there was not a single cloud in the sky, it being a crystal clear, deep blue sky kind of day, except for one enormous chemtrail, which stretched like a rather wide, puffy ribbon for at least 10 miles, it's path lying directly over our house.
It was unmistakable; the altitude was quite low, and there were no other contrails of any kind, unusual for such a clear day, as we were living at the time in Rancho Santa Margarita, CA, about 15 miles from John Wayne airport, and there are always jets in the sky in that area.
This was the lowest-lying chemtrail I have ever seen; I have taken pilot training myself, and I would estimate it's height at not more than about 6,000 feet in altitude.
I had my whole family come outside and take a look, so that they would know the difference between a chemtrail and a regular contrail, or a regular cloud. This thing was so obviously man-made, it was just incredible.
By some coincidence, by the next day, half of our family was quite ill. I missed a week of work, very unusual for me, and my daughter aged 18 was sick for two weeks. In fact, by the end of that week, fully 50% of the elementary school children in Rancho Santa Margarita were home sick, and the school announced that if any more children called in sick, they were going to cancel school altogether until things improved.
Coincidence? You tell me. I doubt it. Anybody who saw this chemtrail like I did would doubt it, too. It's time to get to the bottom of this, whatever is going on. Thanks for starting this thread.
Dr. Brad Nelson :)
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>From Ric Lambart:
As an old jet jock, Bob, I can authoratatively report that you are mostly
right about the contrails: they are condensation trails of ice crystals formed
from the water in the jet exhaust at high altitudes, when the temp and
humidity are just right - but they can be not only extremely LONG, but they
can actually trigger some huge cirrus cloud formations, under ideal
circumstances. Haven't heard, before, that the CO2 is causal in the visible
condensate, though.
The chem trails, are, you are right, the result of the aircraft simply
spraying, just like crop duster/sprayer airplanes at low altitudes, chemical
materials of all sorts.
Originally, most of the chem-trails were made by attempts to "seed" clouds and
alter the natural weather patterns.
I recall that the first seedings were done with sodium iodide crystals. But I
also recall the Federal Law Suit won by the fellow in San Francisco, who filed
for damages, AND WON (against the military for spraying the city with
organisms, which were concluded to have been the cause of his father's death
inducing illness).
That suit, I believe, was WAY back in the fifties or maybe sixties, but the
actual spraying was done in the late forties. As you might, I also will never
forget the B-17 Bombers flying up and down the ENTIRE state of Florida
spraying the populace and land mass peninsula with DDT, for, ostensibly,
control of the burgeoning mosquito population. They assured everyone that the
DDT was absolutely benign to humans, of course. That was even on the cover of
the then popularly read cover of LIFE magazine. It was in the late forties, I
believe.
That's about all I can authoritatively add.
ric
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& Dr. Tom:
Here's your explanation!
What it all probably means is that one day, somewhere, a dyslexic person mistook the prefix "CON" and heard "CHEM." Let me offer this as a former Air Traffic Controller watching the beautiful blue skies of Florida for many years. However, my story occurred today as I was on my way to an early morning meeting.
It was a stunning day in Atlanta, GA and the sky was a deep clear blue. It is a chilly day, as well. As I started down the highway for a 32 minutes drive to my meeting on the East side of town, I noticed one over-flying jet with one Contrail that was slowly disintegrating from it's tight white streak feathering out to spread its ice crystals in the sky. As I headed south to the northern arc around Atlanta, I saw more. You see when hot jet exhaust hits the right amount of moisture at the right temperature and at the right altitude, it causes ice crystals to form behind it. If the temperature and humidity are different it may dissipate immediately. Today the conditions were right for it to hang around. As I turned East, I noticed that many more Contrails had formed and they were now running together and some were forming Stratus clouds. Within a very short time, the brilliant blue sky was completely gray and the Sun was trying to get through it but it was for a while
impossible.
What I am describing is what happens as that the Jet Stream (high speed air mass moving west to east) sustains the correct conditions for this phenomenon. Sometimes it does and other times it clears it away. To think that Contrails always dissipate is pure ignorance of Physics. With the sky now gray it became a little chillier because the sunshine was mitigated accordingly. At the moment, my beautiful sky is completely gray, the Stratus (ice) Layer of clouds had thickened and there are a few stratocumulus clouds making it look as if it will snow this afternoon.
It happens frequently when the patch of sky in which they are flying is an over-flight area like Atlanta is, both East-West and North-South. It looks like the aircraft are flying a Hatch pattern because of some very basic reasons. The winds aloft usually are 100 mph or more and they will spread the Contrails rapidly. The mass of air may be moving in a different direction and depends entirely upon the influence of the Jet Stream. Additionally the Airways and Jet ways are as wide as 20 miles and a pilot can decide which side of the airway he/she wants to fly. And finally, all jet aircraft make contrails. It is no longer a weather phenomenon.
It has been something that I have been watching since 1963 because when I became an Air Traffic Controller and at that time it was a reportable phenomenon. We were required to tell other pilots and the weather observers that we had seen it. Shortly thereafter, came the advent of jet travel. With it being a rather normal Contrails then became a common place occurrence and no longer reportable.
Here is a simple way to figure out if you are on a crossing route or if you will see planes going in only one direction. Any Flight Service Station, Air Traffic Control Tower or Air Route Center, flight school, or indeed most pilots in your local area would be able to show you a map of the relationship of the air routes to your location. You can determine if your location has a north-south or east-west route or both. You can determine that planes fly over going to and fro in large or small numbers. Logic and judgment. If you are between LA and NYC and New Orleans and Chicago, chances are that you may have a lot of traffic going both ways. The over flights are usually above 30,000 feet and since the temperature drops a minimum of 2 degrees centigrade per each 1,000 feet you climb in altitude it would naturally be 60 degrees less in centigrade or - 76 Fahrenheit different. Therefore, you can check the weather by going to www.weather.com or to www.noaa.gov You can determine winds
aloft, temperatures and humidity, direction and flow of the Jet stream, etc., for any given area.
To foster a preposterous conspiracy theory like Chemtrails is purely bunk. Just as cold isn't the sole reason to have snow, ice crystals will not stay around unless all of the conditions are correct. But one thing is for sure, a conspiracy theory doesn't need education or even logic to have a life. You only have to want to believe it. This one has no legs. There are no Chemtrails unless an airliner is emptying its toilets or losing fuel.
Dr. Tom
www.wcss.biz
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& Larry responds:
Your comments are very viable and I don't question their veracity, but do have a question. How do you explain contrails and chemtrails existing in the same sky at the same time, from planes traveling parallel courses that seem to be reasonably close and gauging from the size of the planes they seem to be fairly close to the same altitude?
When I first moved here, north central Montana, the skies were crisscrossed almost daily with chemtrails for the first two years and their direction of travel covered all points of the compass, coming and going. Then they dwindled as the drought took over and the winters got milder, only showing up on occasion during these past seven years as if to keep the status quo on weather. With only a couple days seeing them this past fall the weather again started out mild, but for about the past three weeks now we've had closer to a normal Montana winter, with today being a prime example.
I may be wrong, but weather control seems to me to be involved to some extent, especially if/when coupled with the HAARP signals. What prompts that idea happened in the late fall of '96 when there was a huge storm system building in the Pacific and the forecasts were that the effects would be felt all the way back here, past more than three large mountain ranges, including the Rockies. For a couple days the forecasts warned of this building system, as some folks monitoring those HAARP signals later revealed the signals had increased very noticeably in frequency and intensity as the system built. But, just before arriving at the coast the system broke up and resulted only in not unusual heavy rain storms. As that happened, the HAARP signals dropped back to their normal low frequency and intensity.
When the huge blackout of the northeastern portion of the country happened a couple years ago the official story was that it was a grid breakdown from overload and anyone asking about any different possibility was immediately branded the same type idiot as those of us questioning chemtrails. OK I could buy the gov't claim, if they could explain also how the blackout effect touched items not even hooked up to the grid, especially the ones that were battery operated.
Having been one of the gov't's guinea pigs at Bikini Atoll in '54 during the tests of the first deliverable H-Bomb and the truth about the gov't's lies about what happened didn't surface for over forty years, you bet your bippy I don't trust this piss poor excuse we call gov't of the people and by the people. Will we again hafta wait forty years for the truth about what's going on related to this?
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from Vern:
Con-trails occur at altitudes 30,000 ft or higher. The claim of some of your
correspondents
that when there is enough moisture in the air ice crystals form and spread
out and linger for
hours. B S The air drops moisture as it cools. using the dry adiabatic rate
it cools 5.5 degrees
per 1000 ft elevation. Do the arithmetic and figure the temperature at
30,000 ft. The reason
it dissipates so soon is that the only moisture is from the combustion and
soon disappears. The
criss crossing of chemtrails that I have been observing for the last 8 or 10
years are at a
much lower altitude. I viewed a film taken with zoom lens that distinctly
showed the spray
nozzles spraying out a liquid. In August 2001 I participated in the rally in
support of farmers
that had their water that they had paid for cut off by the government, at
Klamath Falls, Oregon.
On the return trip I came straight east to Lakeview and then North to Burns.
That is about 100
miles. I noticed several planes lacing the sky with chemtrails. It was very
hot and with no
air conditioning I had the windows open. The spraying continued for the
whole trip. Two days
later I had throat and lung congestion that hung on for 2 weeks. I had not
had a cold for over
3 years and was in tip tops condition. I blame it on the chemtrails. I
learned a little about
the weather etc. in school while studying for my commercial pilots license.
I passed the meteorology
test with nearly a perfect score. Some reports of tests have shown powdered
aluminum and biological contaminants. It is reported that there is an air
force base in Indiana or Ohio
that has a fleet of tankers whose only duty is spraying chemicals in the
air.
I think Hugh who questions your sanity should see a shrink.
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Hi,
Sure here are some links:
http://www.nlpc.org/view.asp?action=viewArticle&aid=21
http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=28602
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/18/national/main573968.shtml
Boeing President resignation over "tanker scandal"
http://www.nlpc.org/view.asp?action=viewArticle&aid=724
Boeing CFO also resigns
There is much more to this story however, the 500 new tanker plane figure comes from comments John McCain said on CSPAN TV live during a 911 panel review unrelated to the Boeing Tanker Scandal.
You can also see the 500 number mentioned here although there is some dis-info in this article too :
http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html
Another FAA employee has given me a total tanker plane count of approx 1200 worldwide (in US possession) with more owned by other countries and entities.
However, the numbers that the AirForce was to pay for the 100 planes in the Boeing scandal does not add up either.
The cost per tanker plane is supposedly $138.5 M each per several of the articles above.
If the total contract for the planes is $27 Billion, (some articles mention $30B) that works out to 195 planes minimum.
So the media and the Military are not putting forth the correct totals on this whole thing as usual and from other tidbits which I do not have handy, I know there have been SEVERAL "tanker deals" over the past 12 years. So this could be just the tip of the iceberg.
As to any question of whether commercial aircraft are leaving the trails that last for hours, or is it military only, look at this one satellite photo and you will see that commercial aircraft simply do not fly in these patterns and quantity all at the same time. Period.
http://proliberty.com/observer/20041118.htm
I have photos taken locally here showing turns so sharp, and planes flying in so many circles, that if passengers were on those planes they would not only be questioning "why are not actually going to my destination" but would be suing the airlines for bodily injuries from being tossed around the cabin.
Who are you by the way?
All the best,
Karl
WNY Center for Chemtrail Studies
PS: I just received an email from some guy Dr. Tom. Any info put forth from guys such as Dr. Tom @ www.wcss.biz I have come to quickly ignore. People such as him are not actually OBSERVING what is going on in the sky much less real life. They are basing their viewpoint on their past opinions and not on current observations. If I were to listen to guys like him I would have to believe that the IRS and the Federal Reserve are two law abiding institutions and all people who speak against them are just "conspiracy theorists" and that anything the FDA approves has got to be ok for you.
Sorry, but I know better. Our group has been in the aerospace field for a combined total of 90 years with experience not only in flight instruction and piloting, but the design and testing of propulsion systems, missile guidance and test systems and have worked on many NASA and Gov projects. I myself resigned from the Treas Dept.
What is going on in the sky today is absolutely NOT normal.
I'm sorry but Dr. Tom is lacking much much info such as using the Flight Explorer" program to track commercial flights. Using this one program alone, one can clearly see that the only planes leaving contrails that last for 8-10 hours are military aircraft, NOT commercial aircraft. Besides condensation trails simply do not last 10 hours.
The real explosive evidence comes from the playback of time lapsed video. If one video tapes a few hours of air traffic activity in the sky above their home on a clear day, then compress it into several minutes worth of video at high speed, your jaw will hit the floor. It is then irrefutable that the hazy cloud cover most people are complaining of, is not coming from weather systems at all, but is coming from military aircraft just as the people alleged. If Dr. Tom supposedly being a an FAA ATC is too stupid to see whats goin on right over his head. I can't give him the time of day. And I have met other commercial pilots and FAA people who say just what Dr. Tom says too. I have seen both sides. And yes there most certainly IS a whole internet sub culture regarding chemtrails. If the media refuses to report where can one turn? To the internet only. And there is MUCH disinformation on it as well as my interview with the Editor of the Buffalo Evening News confirmed a couple years ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Huckel
To: Karl Reile
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: More Info Please
Hi,
I just recently saw a message in which you said,
"Congress recently increased their Tanker plane inventory by over 500 new units.
The president of Boeing recently resigned over the Tanker plane issue.
Let me know if you would like any more info.
All the best,
Karl Reile
WNY Center for Chemtrail Studies"
I would like to get more data on the increase of tankers, and the resignation of the president of Boeing.
Thanks,
John Huckel
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SUB-MICRON PARTICULATES ISOLATED
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, New Mexico
Apr 26 2004
A method has been developed to isolate and record the existence of certain sub-micron particulates that appear to be resident within the atmosphere. The evidence from this research continues to support the claim of high levels of extremely fine metallic salts within the atmosphere as a consequence of the aerosol operations. The method developed incorporates a combination of ionization collection, electrolysis for separation, and significant advances in microscopy that have been made with relatively modest means. A signficant chemical reaction demonstrating the presence of metallic ions from the atmospheric sample is presented.
The presence of the fibrous and powder/crystal photographed below was called to my attention in early January by a resident of Santa Fe, New Mexico. The filtration system within the house uses three Ionic Breeze Electrostatic Air Cleaners (Model number 51637) manufactured by Sharper Image. This resident pays careful attention to the state of cleanliness of the house and filter system, and an unusual coating was observed to exist on a plate ionizing air filter after an absence of several days. After cleaning, an identical condition occurred again after a second absence. Acting upon a request, I therefore made a direct visit to the residence to view the sample. The light coating was not obvious to a casual observer, but was discernible and beige in color.
Over a period of a couple of weeks, samples of the material were accumulated and have been placed under the microscope. The results of that session at magnification levels of 60x and 200x follow. The material is unusual in that it is fairly uniform in composition, and consists of two primary materials: powder/crystals and fibers. The fibers are translucent to white, and are suprisingly uniform in their general nature. They do not appear to resemble textile or animal fibers in any way because of the uniform nature, size and color. There is no known source within the residence to explain the origin of these two materials. Close observation of the filtration system by the resident is a likely factor in the discovery of this material.
Magnification 200x
Fibers and Crystal-Powder Form Collected from Ionizing Air Filter
Magnification 60x
Fibers and Crystal-Powder Form Collected from Ionizing Air Filter
The material has now been placed into solution and subjected to electrolysis. A significant chemical reaction does occur. It is apparent from the level of electrolytic reaction that occurs that a metallic salt is a dominant component of the material. A highly insoluble precipitate forms as a result of this reaction; a record of this event is also shown below. The copper electrodes do not appear to be highly significant in the reaction, but they do appear to be a factor in the final bluish tint to the precipitate that forms. The insolubility of the precipitate is a dominant factor in the identification process. Subsequent observations will more carefully analyze the effect of the electrolysis upon the fibrous materials.
Readers are referred to an earlier paper1 of May 27 2002 entitled "Electrolysis and Barium" as a precedent to the current research. It will be recalled within that paper that an outdoor filtration system was used to collect the solid materials over a six week period, and the solids subsequently placed into solution. The current method of ionization appears to be a more direct and rapid method of accumulating the solid material forms, as the final results are identical in both cases. Advances in microscopy also provide a significant and new benefit. Two years have elapsed since the earlier progress, and this delay continues to point out the need for additional resources, expertise and activism to progress with disclosure on the aerosol issue.
Approximately 45 minutes into the electrolysis process.
Fibers have risen to top of distilled water.
Approximately 24 hours into the electrolysis process.
Significant precipitate formation at bottom of container.
Fibers have been removed.
Gas forms at cathode.
Solubility tests have also been conducted on the precipitate that forms from the electrolysis reaction. The results of this testing, including the use of distilled water, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid and ethanol again point to the likelihood of an identical precipitate2 being formed in this case. The precipitate is highly insoluble in water, insoluble in weak hydrochloric acid, insoluble in ethanol and slightly soluble in weak sulphuric acid. The best analysis that exists at this time continues to point to the formation of a barium sulphate compound. It is not to be concluded that barium sulphate is an original atmospheric compound; the compound forms as a result of electrolysis. A reasonable supposition that can be made with current and former information available is that high levels of a barium or metallic compound exist within the atmosphere, and that this compound leads to ion formation within solution or water. In addition, testing with sodium hydroxide leads to a white
precipitate being formed (close examination required); this along with the electrolysis does indicate the presence of a metallic cation within the solution, regardless of any final identification that is to be made3.
In summary, the current research involves a process of collection of atmospheric samples with the use of a plate ionizing filter. This material is unusual in nature and is composed of two primary forms : fairly uniform fibrous and crystalline/powder material. This material has been collected, placed into solution and subjected to electrolysis. A definite and repeatable chemical reaction does take place, which results in the formation of a highly insoluble precipitate. The best current analysis of that material positively identifies the existence of a metallic salt. The best analysis of the nature of that metallic salt is that of a barium compound which releases positive metallic ions in solution.
In addition, direct visible observation of the precipitate under extremely high magnification detects the presence of reasonably uniform spherical sub-micron particulates within the electrolysis result. The specific gravity of these particulates is greater than that of water. The microscope technique developed combines an analog oil immersion microscope rated at 1000x with a digital camera addition that was originally applied to astrophotography. This microscope now provides views which can be recorded at 1000x, 4000x and 10,000x; these levels far exceed conventional visible light microscopy limits of 1000x to 2000x, and materials at the 2 micron size range. It has long been postulated that the size of the aerosols under examination is in the sub-micron range, and that extremely high magnification will be necessary for detection. The size range of the aerosols has previously been estimated at approximately 0.5 microns in size as a result of atmospheric light effects; this conforms to
the current observations.
Magnification ~20,000x
Oil Immersion Microphotograph of Precipitate Components
Estimated size of particulates is 0.7 microns
(Original ~ 10000x with 2x enlargement)
Magnification ~20,000x
Oil Immersion Microphotograph of Precipitate Components
Estimated size of particulates is 0.7 microns
(Original ~ 10000x with 2x enlargement)
Magnification ~20,000x
Oil Immersion Microphotograph of Precipitate Components
Estimated size of particulates is 0.7 microns
(Original ~ 10000x with 2x enlargement)
It is now hoped that citizens will begin duplicating this sampling process and obtain a positive identification of the materials that have been isolated. A justifiable case for analysis and identification of the metallic based materials by private professionals and by public and government environmental and health agencies is well established, and citizens are asked to pursue that goal in earnest.
References:
1. Clifford E Carnicom, Electrolysis and Barium, (http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm), May 27, 2002
2. Carnicom, May 27, 2002.
3. Lawrie Ryan, Absorb Chemistry for GCSE by Lawrie Ryan, Testing for Ions, (http://www.crocodile-clips.com/absorb/AC4/sample/LR).
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In a message dated 1/15/2005 6:16:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobalou@wynman.com writes:
We'd also need to think about the "conductive" chemtrail from the
other vantage, that is what happens to it when HAARP starts humming.
HAARP is a transmitter. What good's a transmitter w/o a receiver?
Chemtrails could quite well serve the receptive function in these
experiments, if they are comprised of conductive particles. View them
as an antenna. Strikes me that there's a rational relationship with
them and HAARP. Laying them in a criss-cross pattern also becomes
rational to such experimentation, as they'd be looking at the
differences in reception between the parallel and perpendicular. Given
the extremely low frequency of the HAARP transmissions, one would need
a very, very long conductor serving as an antenna, on which to induce
even a 1/4 wave. A conductive chemtrail makes perfect sense to that
end. Tho I have no idea of what use, ultimately, such knowledge would
be to anyone.
Obviously, I'm still guessing. Unfortunately, I'm not coming up with
any guesses that would much please the conspiracy theorists.
Ralph
I'm afraid Ralph is a bit confused about HAARP. It stands for High frequency Active Auroral Research Program. It involves a high, not low, frequency transmitter array in Alaska used to radiate the ionosphere and then study the effects of that radiation. The goals include better reliability for communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and military applications. Here is a link to the official website: Click here: HAARP Home Page
He may be confusing HAARP with the US Navy's Extreme Low Frequency (ELF) transmitters in Michigan and Wisconsin which were closed in September 2004. These ELF facilities were used to communicate with submarines operating at speed and depth. Their mission has been subsumed by other Navy facilities operating in the VLF (Very Low Frequency) range. Here is a link to a story in The Detroit News: Click here: Michigan loses military system - 10/10/04
Please forward this information to Ralph as I don't know which of your 150 email adresses is his. Thank you.
Keen
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